I was just out chatting on another forum, and came across a discution about being a Christian and going to church or not. Well of course, you know me, I just had to join in a give my 2 cents worth right? Well, I got to thinking… It’s a good topic, why not have it on my forum as well?So, here it is: The original post that started the other topic on the other forum, and my answer to it. Add what ever you feel needs adding.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sept 18, 2006, 6:07am, pulse2 wrote:
Ok, I am a christian, I portray christianity in my life, I harm no one (Mainly because I’m pretty peaceful and avoid fights, just use words, usually more harmfull ), I don’t steal, I have never injured let alone murdered someone, I don’t go around lying and cursing people, I respect anyone and everyone, I love my family and pretty much everything needed to be a christian, however, I don’t go to church as often as a lot of Christians who go every Sunday, I’m just too busy, people say I can’t be a real christian if I don’t go to church every Sunday, huh?Do I need to? Its not as if I have never been before, I make and effort to go when I can, honestly? But how is it that many that do go to church can cheat on thier partner, betray someone, kill someone (Not likely but still happens), maybe rape or rob or even commit some other kind of sin, not once, but maybe several times and still be classed as more of a christian then me? I find that kind of hypocritical.Does this happen to any of you? Can you answer it? Does it happen to any other religeons? |
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I am a Christian. I grew up in a very strict Christian home.
When I say strict, I mean VERY: not only were the things you mentioned grave sins, but so to were the following:
women were forbidden to:
- cut their hair
- wear pants
- wear skirts above the knee
- wear short sleeves
- wear makeup
- wear jewelry
- be over 16 years of age and not be married
- be over 18 years of age and not have at least 4 children
- work or get jobs
things forbidden to all, both men and women included:
- drinking
- smoking
- coffee
- tea
- soda
- swearing (and you’s be surprised the things that are considered a swear!)
- public school
- meat
Those are just the major biggie sins, there are lots of little ones as well, stupid ritual like things… hand washings, wearing special underwear you have to wear, and stuff like that
giant sins like adultery, rape, murder, divorce, etc… those things you can’t be forgiven for EVER.
at least accourding to my family….
me, today, as an adult… I look at them and think… they are nuts!
today, I am still a Christian, I stll wear long dresses, I have long hair, and I don’t eat meat, but beyound that, I do not believe the same things my family does… I do not believe that the idiosicesies and rituals make you a Christian
today, my family shuns me, I am “the evi one”l, “the child of satan”, “the fallen one”, and other such titles they have given me. Why?
Because:
- I drink tea
- I drink soda
- I am 31 and not yet married
- I am 31 and have no children
- at age 31 I am trying to get a job and finding it very difficult as no one well hire a women age 31 with no schooling or prviouse job experiance
- I do not attend church
- I do not attend temple
- I do not wear special underwear
What is a Christian? By deffanition, a Christian is one who obeies the practices of Christ.
What did Christ do?
- He heal the sick
- he helped the poor
- he preached love thy neighbor
- he taught AGAINST eye for an eye
- he said to pray to The Father
- he did not wear fancy clothes
- he was condemded for working on Sabbth
- he made a whip and beat people in church
- he not only drank wine, he turned water into it
there are a whole list of things that Chriist taught, said, and did, he rarely went to church on the Sabbeth and was constantly ridiculed for it, by the Pharasies and the Saducies
I believe that a Christian does the things that Christ did…
I have known men and women who go to church every Sunday (or Saterday, depending on their faith), and I have known those same men and women to lie, cheat, steal, swear, drink, commit adultry, 3 went to prison for rape, a few were excumunicated for child abuse, and one even went to prison for murder.
All of them claimed to be Christian, all of them never missed the Sabbath.
I have meet many people who were not Christian. Where I live the Jewish faith is quite strong, there is even a synagog a mile from my house, and another 2 towns away. Musliums are becoming quite common here latly as well. There is a hindu community 40 mins away, and several Asia communities, with tradition relgions, that I do not understand or know the names of. After the Jews, Wiccans are prob’ly the largest non-Christian religion in the area. I’ve known MANY of them.
Than there are those who believe nothing, atheists and agnostics. My best friend’s dad is one of these.
Well, the point is, these non-Christian, live their lives quite peacefully, they go about their daily business, they do not try to convert people to their faith, they just go about their daily lives….
- in spite of the Christian groups who organize protests and camp out on their front lawns or business steps,
- in spite of the Christians who smash car windshield and storefront plate glass…
- in spite of the Christians who spray paint swatica’s on front doors of homes and synagogs….
- in spite of Christians who throw pigs heads in synagogs and mousques and drip pig’s blood and pig fat on car door handles. (yeah… I live Maine, right near the one that’s been on international news all summer, the pig head incedent that everyone was talking about on national news, it was local news here for months before the media got ahold of it… the one they had to call the FBI in on, because the Christians are so uptight against Jews and Muslums around here)
My question is…
- wasn’t Jesus a Jew?
- and when did Jesus do things like this to other faiths?
- how are these “good Christians” condoning this as something Jesus would do?
- and how can they sit in church each Sunday knowing what they did?
In answer to your question, I have this to say:
Going to church on Sunday does not make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage on Saterday makes you a car!
It is what you say, that makes you a Christian.
It is what you do, that makes you a Christian.
It is how you treat others, that makes you a Christian.
It is what is in your heart, that makes you a Christian.
It is love for one another, that makes you a Christian.
It is who you are,
not where you are,
that makes you what you are!
i think the average Christian (of which I am) is okay… they are living by what they believe in and are overall good people…it’s the fanitics that bug me, you know, the type that say “You go to my church or I’ll kill you.” those type. They bug me cause, that wasn’t Jesus way. He gave people the freedom to choice or not, he didn’t force people to follow him against their will.